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Ghost in the Machine
A weekly podcast on AI

The AI conversation, without the noise.

Andrew DeGood and Liz Short, one optimist and one skeptic, talk honestly about what AI is doing to work, thought, and the humans in the loop. New episode every Thursday.

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Ep. 10 July 16, 2026 · 42:37

Episode 10: Dana Georgiou on Why AI Is Best Used by People Who Don't Need It

Episode 10 takes the topic the guest picked and runs at it: AI is best used by people who don't need it. Dana Georgiou is a Chief Revenue Officer at a private lender, a cattle rancher, and the self-appointed mother of Kevin the goat, and she means the line as a compliment to the tool, not an insult to the user. Her argument, sharpened live: AI is not a crutch, it is jet fuel, and jet fuel only helps if you already know where you are going. Andrew calls it the smartest intern he will ever hire, one with zero context. The Turn lands on Liz, who admits the framing changed how she sees the whole debate. From there they hit the Picasso principle, the steroids analogy, why AI is not the next Google, and why the real danger is the loan officer who lets AI think for them.

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Andrew DeGood

Host, the optimist

Founder, AskBobAI

Andrew is the founder of AskBobAI and the optimist on the show. He believes the interesting work is figuring out how AI makes people better at the jobs they already do.

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Liz Short

Host, the skeptic

CEO, Short Solutions

Liz is the CEO of Short Solutions and the skeptic on the show. She is not anti-AI. She is anti-everyone-pretending-this-is-fine.

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